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kudos for Ducksback fabric

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Hi Jerry,

I totally agree with your assessment of goretex. What has always puzzled me was even if goretex worked as advertised, how would vapor escape through a wet outer shell? I have a Ducksback parka and chaps. Even in heavy rain, the water beads and runs off. It is amazing to watch. My experience with coats and jackets made with goretex is much different. The outer shell is wet. I thought showing each products performance while wet on the outside might make a good comparison video for you.

I do not think it is necessary for me to do a video showing each products performance or lack there of as in the case of goretex since we now know that it does not work. Actually knowing that goretex does not work is not new information.

As time goes by more and more people will be buying Ducksback jackets as more and more people become educated to the reality that Ducksback does what bobby and bill gore claimed and amazingly still claim about their non-functioning product.

Finally, any thoughts on sleeping bag made with ducksback?



As for using the Ducksback fabric as a shell for a sleeping bag is not a good idea. The fabric does not have the same vapor permeability characteristics as the single ply taffeta that I use. It would stifle the movement of moisture out of the sleeping bag as tightly woven calendared rip stop does in all of the down filled “no sleep sleeping bags”. It is for this reason that these bags lose loft and gain weight, it is known as water absorption. The water starts out as vapor from your body and condenses to water and the down clusters absorb it. It does not ever get out of the “no sleep sleeping bag”. But the Ducksback fabric is excellent as an outer shell for the top of my bivi bags.

Dirk thank you for your comments and continued interest in Wiggy’s products as well as giving me the opportunity to further explain why down an inferior material for use as an insulation is.

I have been thinking about the situation that the simms company has created for not only gore but all of the companies that sell products that function exactly as goretex does.

Simms has correctly published that moisture accumulates within the goretex waders they make as evidenced by their care instructions; see below the very first instruction.

GORE-TEX Wader Care:

The #1 tip to prolonging the life of a wader is drying your waders. It is important to dry your waders out after each use. We recommend drying the inside first (if damp) and then the outside. When drying the outside you can pull your gravel guards up until the feet are dry and then flip them down to dry the rest of the wader.

They admit that the inside of the waders get wet when they say “dry the inside first (if damp)” damn right the inside is damp and where the hell did that moisture come from; you who is wearing these waders. And they said it was breathable.

Imagine wearing the waders naked. Your perspiration is about 90 degrees as it leaves your skin surface. The waders are made from nylon a material that reacts quickly to temperature change. The water you are fly fishing in is 50 degrees. when the vaper reaches the lining of the waders, a 3-layer laminate, it condenses immediately and low and behold you now have water in the waders. Stay in the water in the waders long enough and you will have a pool of water in the foot area of the waders and this happens even if you are not naked.

While they say damp, that is probably because if you happen to be wearing any pant like jeans, they absorb the moisture. I do not remember the number of people who have called me telling me they get COLD FEET IN THEIR WADERS. Many have purchased my Lamilite socks now.

I wonder how much longer the boot industry, wader industry, jacket industry will continue to use the bogus materials spoken of as “waterproof and breathable”. All the hoopla of the 80’s and 90’s has ended. You never hear about these products, as they have become a staple material used by companies even though THEY DO NOT PERFORM AS PREVIOUSLY ADVERTISED, never have, do not now nor will they ever.

For those of you who want a true very water-resistant jacket that is also vapor permeable you want a Ducksback garment. Why do I say that, because so many of my customers like Dirk have confirmed what I learned in 2011 when I bought my raincoat that I keep in a pocket in the back of my driver seat of my truck. When I pull it out to use, I am amazed that it does not show wrinkles. It has never failed me and neither have any of the jackets I make that I personally use.

I do sometimes wonder if any of the companies I write about will ever tell me I am wrong. This is the 3rd or 4th time I have expose simms, will they take me to task? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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